ABC to Obama: We'll Debate Without You

Just a short diary for those who missed it, story picked up by Politico's Michael Calderone:

Hillary Clinton will appear in a live town hall meeting Sunday on ABC's "This Week with George Stephanopoulos."

Just two days before the primaries, ABC's town hall event will be broadcast live from Indiana, and also include viewer questions from North Carolina. "This Week" host Stephanopoulos is moderating.

ABC News has also extended offers to both Sen. Barack Obama and John McCain, according to a network spokesperson.

This is not surprising to me.  In the days following Hillary Clinton's decisive victory in Pennsylvania, Barack Obama resumed a stump style that some have called "a campaign about campaigning."  He decried what he considered uncivilized treatment by ABC's moderators, denounced the entire debate as a distraction, and, in the minds of some, even managed to flip Hillary the bird.  It was a degree of irony that can only be described as audacious: insisting that we need to talk about issues, while doing nothing of the sort, merely complaining and posturing instead.

Hillary issued a bold proposal: a debate without moderation, the candidates themselves framing the question.  The idea was popular with many folks on this site, from both camps, and gained traction in the media.  But Barack would have none of it.  And, honestly, who could blame him?  Why give your opponent free airtime when you can simply outspend them in ads?    Why risk another embarassing performance under pressure?  Better to stick with short, carefully scripted soundbites, and spend your opponent into the ground.

It makes sense to me, and while I am disappointed with his decision, I certainly don't begrudge him for it.

But, as I spoke to my friends, I began to consider just how profitable these debates are for the networks that host them.  Contrary to the claim that folks are bored of these debates, the last one was apparently one of the most widely-viewed televised events ever (beaten only by American Idol: I guess we're not quite there yet).  As I considered the dollars involved, and Barack's condescending, even scolding tone toward the media, I started to wonder:

Maybe they're going to flip him off.

Maybe it was unwise for Barack to bite the hand that has fed him so generously over these past months.  Maybe, and this is a longshot, but maybe the media was getting a bit.. bored with him?

It seems to me the punditocracy is calling Barack's bluff.  Does he really think he can do this without their help?  That is the question.  And, while this is surely no game-changer, I cannot help but think that Hillary's having a nationally televised townhall meeting, for free, the Sunday before an important pair of primaries, is helpful to her.

So, what do you think?  Will Barack show up after all?  Or is he going to sit this one out?

Update 1: Al Rodgers informed us that Barack will be conducting a more scripted event on Meet the Press instead. I have this image in my mind of the two candidates standing in opposite corners of a room with their arms crossed. Anyone else?



Display:


Obama is appearing on MTP (none / 0)

For the full hour.


"McSame: He's Constipated and Ready to GO!
by Al Rodgers on Thu May 01, 2008 at 07:47:40 PM EST

How (1.75 / 4)

boring.
by linc on Thu May 01, 2008 at 07:50:05 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama is appearing on MTP (2.00 / 7)

Appearing on MTP is not the same as talking directly with voters.  Try again but thanks for playing!


by JustJennifer on Thu May 01, 2008 at 07:50:07 PM EST
[ Parent ]

MTP has much, much higher ratings. (2.00 / 0)

Looks like Hillary got outfoxed, again.


"McSame: He's Constipated and Ready to GO!
by Al Rodgers on Thu May 01, 2008 at 07:51:36 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: MTP has much, much higher ratings. (2.00 / 6)

Traditionally the show may have higher ratings but the debate on ABC got the highest ratings for any debate so far.  So we will see - snooze fest with Tim Russert or town hall meeting with George and Hillary....


by JustJennifer on Thu May 01, 2008 at 07:52:54 PM EST
[ Parent ]

without an opponent, there's no debate (2.00 / 1)

debate = big event (competition/conflict)

town hall meetng = average event (local rally)


"McSame: He's Constipated and Ready to GO!
by Al Rodgers on Thu May 01, 2008 at 07:55:49 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: without an opponent, there's no debate (2.00 / 4)

You are right about that.  I doubt it will have the ratings the debate had.  I still think an interview with Tim Russert is not as informative or bold as actually talking face to face with voters.


by JustJennifer on Thu May 01, 2008 at 07:56:57 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: without an opponent, there's no debate (none / 0)

... unless McCain shows up, in which case it will be the highest rated debate ever.


by kristoph on Thu May 01, 2008 at 08:03:10 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: without an opponent, there's no debate (none / 0)

Without an opponent = no show = chicken


by soyousay on Thu May 01, 2008 at 09:28:03 PM EST
[ Parent ]

sounds almost romantic (2.00 / 1)

Like a perfectly set harlequin romance/fantasy novel.

With all the grit of a marble vanity.


by ameridad on Thu May 01, 2008 at 07:57:49 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: MTP has much, much higher ratings. (2.00 / 1)

this is nothing more then a normal town hall on a sunday, and instead of the news cycles only giving up clips you get the entire thing.

I will watch the highlights. I hope someone asks  bout the gas tax, and shows that the voters aren't idiots they can see its useless pander and doesn't actually help them


Dream for tomorrow but fight for it today.
by TruthMatters on Thu May 01, 2008 at 07:59:14 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: MTP has much, much higher ratings. (none / 0)

It does help, just not very much.


by kristoph on Thu May 01, 2008 at 08:07:25 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: MTP has much, much higher ratings. (2.00 / 5)

I've got to be honest: for the next few weeks, each time I see the word "pander", in my mind I'm contrasting Barack's interview with Chris Wallace and Hillary's interview with Bill'O.

I've watched her confront Bill on universal healthcare several times now and I'm still bedazzled with how she handled that.  It was like a sneak preview of how she will handle it in the general election, for me.


by bobbank on Thu May 01, 2008 at 08:12:41 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Why is Obama avoiding the Healthcare Question? (none / 0)

I think he thinks people still haven't figured it out.


Health Care: WHY do we pay MORE and GET LESS?
http://content.healthaffairs.org/cgi/con tent/full/hlthaff.28.1.w1/DC1
by architek on Thu May 01, 2008 at 11:31:27 PM EST
[ Parent ]

hahahah (2.00 / 2)

first Obama gets blamed for having to many rallys and townhall meeting and talking to voters instead of debating with Hillary.

Now you blame him for not talking to voters?


-- be excellent to each other
by kindthoughts on Thu May 01, 2008 at 07:59:47 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: hahahah (2.00 / 2)

Are you practicing what you preach in your sig right now?


by bobbank on Thu May 01, 2008 at 08:13:06 PM EST
[ Parent ]

it was a mean haha (none / 0)

I was actually amused.


-- be excellent to each other
by kindthoughts on Thu May 01, 2008 at 08:16:38 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Taaa Daaaaaa....!!! (2.00 / 1)


"McSame: He's Constipated and Ready to GO!
by Al Rodgers on Thu May 01, 2008 at 08:00:24 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama is appearing on MTP (2.00 / 1)

Al could you provide a link?  I'll edit my diary to reflect this once I can confirm.  Thanks.


by bobbank on Thu May 01, 2008 at 08:03:06 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Here ya go. (none / 0)

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3032608/


"McSame: He's Constipated and Ready to GO!
by Al Rodgers on Thu May 01, 2008 at 08:06:57 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Here ya go. (none / 0)

Thanks sir.


by bobbank on Thu May 01, 2008 at 08:09:54 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama is appearing on MTP (2.00 / 3)

I hope they don't ask him difficult questions that cause him never to go on the program again.


The direct use of force is such a poor solution to any problem, it is generally employed only by small children and large nations. -- David Friedman
by pollbuster on Thu May 01, 2008 at 08:08:33 PM EST
[ Parent ]

where Timmy will ask him (2.00 / 2)

if he needs a pillow.


For Obama it now becomes: Faith, hope and CHANGE! And the greatest of these is Change!
by TeresaInPa on Thu May 01, 2008 at 08:15:49 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Don't be jealous (2.00 / 0)

Don't be hat'n on him, cuz hez so fine.


"McSame: He's Constipated and Ready to GO!
by Al Rodgers on Thu May 01, 2008 at 08:22:45 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama is appearing on MTP (2.00 / 1)

NBC and MSNBC have become Obama's home away from home.


by handsomegent on Thu May 01, 2008 at 08:33:14 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Oh. (2.00 / 2)

I thought he wanted to be out on the stump, pressing the flesh, not holed up in a television studio.  I guess I missed the nuance.


That's it, baby; let's go win this election!
by Beltway Dem on Thu May 01, 2008 at 08:38:16 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Why? (2.00 / 1)

So he can receive more questions like:

Does Reverend Wright love America as much as you do?

or

I want to know if you believe in the American flag?


by reggie23 on Thu May 01, 2008 at 07:50:02 PM EST

Re: Why? (2.00 / 6)

Oh for pete's sake.. yes they were stupid questions but if he can't handle answering stupid questions how in the *&$% is going to handle the pressure of being President?  Gimme a break!!!


by JustJennifer on Thu May 01, 2008 at 07:50:57 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Why? (1.00 / 7)

George Stephanopoulus and Low-Info voters,  the new litmus test to be president.

booyah


Unable to rec or rate

Read this: http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/5/15/1427 30/254

by GeorgeP922 on Thu May 01, 2008 at 07:52:26 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Love the irony (2.00 / 0)

of Chelsea 2020 troll rating you.

The monarchical tendencies of someone wanting a third clinton in the white house in their lifetime would require they stamp out disloyalty where ever they see it, however inappropriate, and however revealing the behavior may be.

Democrats in America longing to be ruled by kings and Queens.

YIkes.


by ameridad on Thu May 01, 2008 at 08:05:58 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Why? (2.00 / 1)

"George Stephanopoulus and Low-Info voters,  the new litmus test to be president.

booyah"

Doesn't this commnet by GeorgeP922 just about sum up the contempt for ordinary voters by the Obama crowd. And they wonder why working class and middle class dems can't connect to this guy. You're going to foist this guy on the party and he's going to lose.  


by ottovbvs on Thu May 01, 2008 at 09:13:09 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Why? (none / 0)

Sure I have contempt for both George Stephanopolous and low info voters.

Are you saying all middle class whites are low info?

No, any person ignorant of issues and who votes just on peronality and ethnic perceptions is a low-information voter.

Yes I got HUGE contempt for someone like that.

And why why why did I deserve 10 troll ratings?

Thats nuts.


Unable to rec or rate

Read this: http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/5/15/1427 30/254

by GeorgeP922 on Fri May 02, 2008 at 10:19:04 AM EST
[ Parent ]

no foundation (none / 0)

before you ask a question, they have to have a good faith basis.

it would be wrong to ask Hillary about Peter Paul for example.


"McSame: He's Constipated and Ready to GO!
by Al Rodgers on Thu May 01, 2008 at 07:53:46 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Why? (2.00 / 1)

As opposed to Hillary freezing like a deer in the headlights when she's asked the last time she went to Church or confronted with a coffee machine.

When she was the frontrunner, the pressure got to her so much that she almost lost the election and was only saved by getting weepy in New Hampshire.  


Saxby Chambliss
by bosdcla14 on Thu May 01, 2008 at 07:54:37 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Why? (none / 0)

the pressure got to her so much that she almost lost the election and was only saved by getting weepy in New Hampshire.

Bleh.

You make it sound like Obama did about her getting down once in a while.


by reggie44pride on Thu May 01, 2008 at 07:58:48 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Why? (2.00 / 3)

Agreed.  There are a lot more pressing questions to face than Wright, but his handling of those made me think he'd be a dud in handling real touchy issues with foreign leaders.


by reggie44pride on Thu May 01, 2008 at 07:56:43 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Why? (2.00 / 2)

you mean comments may slip out of him such as "obliterate Iran."  


by reggie23 on Thu May 01, 2008 at 07:59:34 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Why? (2.00 / 1)

If they attack Israel, sure.


by reggie44pride on Thu May 01, 2008 at 08:01:35 PM EST
[ Parent ]

And "Rich people, God bless us." (2.00 / 1)


by Bee on Thu May 01, 2008 at 08:03:01 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: And "Rich people, God bless us." (2.00 / 1)

I guess you don't know the context of that quote?

CLINTON: Well, and you know what? Rich people, God bless us. We deserve all the opportunities...

O'REILLY: All right.

CLINTON: ...to make sure our country and our blessings continue to the next generation.


"Who are you for? That is the wrong question. It should be who is for you?" HRC
by skohayes on Thu May 01, 2008 at 08:26:29 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Sorry (none / 0)

I'm sick of being trickled on.


by Bee on Fri May 02, 2008 at 08:33:04 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Why? (2.00 / 3)

Seems like softball questions to me. I wonder why he has such difficulty with them.


The direct use of force is such a poor solution to any problem, it is generally employed only by small children and large nations. -- David Friedman
by pollbuster on Thu May 01, 2008 at 08:10:48 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Why? (2.00 / 1)

Its not the answering of the questions I had a problem with.  It was the innuendo behind them.


by reggie23 on Thu May 01, 2008 at 08:37:25 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Why? (none / 0)

I understand...


The direct use of force is such a poor solution to any problem, it is generally employed only by small children and large nations. -- David Friedman
by pollbuster on Thu May 01, 2008 at 09:03:17 PM EST
[ Parent ]

what moron can't answer those (2.00 / 2)

questions?

PS... he didn't do so hot on the policy questions either.  It's one reason he lost PA, it was just so clear Hillary is better prepared to be president.


For Obama it now becomes: Faith, hope and CHANGE! And the greatest of these is Change!
by TeresaInPa on Thu May 01, 2008 at 08:17:34 PM EST
[ Parent ]

what policy questons (none / 0)

which ones?

can you name any.


"McSame: He's Constipated and Ready to GO!
by Al Rodgers on Thu May 01, 2008 at 08:20:53 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: what policy questons (2.00 / 2)

What will you do to lower price at the pump?
What would you do if a nuclear Iran nuked Israel?
Will you take a pledge not to increase taxes on the middle class?

Those are the ones I remember best.  I'm sure I'm missing a few.  Basically the 2nd half of the debate was all policy questions.


by bobbank on Thu May 01, 2008 at 08:29:24 PM EST
[ Parent ]

use google (none / 0)

I'm sure you can find a transcript and provide a link.


"McSame: He's Constipated and Ready to GO!
by Al Rodgers on Thu May 01, 2008 at 08:32:51 PM EST
[ Parent ]

why? (none / 0)

I answered your question.


by bobbank on Thu May 01, 2008 at 09:23:42 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I don't know (2.00 / 4)

and it's hard to tell. Something in NC certainly has them spooked, so you never know. I'd be inclined to think as you do, that it wouldn't help him, but if things keep going like this, he may have to try something really risky like that.

Nice tone to your diary, btw.


Rules are not necessarily sacred, principles are. - Franklin Delano Roosevelt
by anna belle on Thu May 01, 2008 at 07:52:09 PM EST

Re: ABC to Obama: We'll Debate Without You (2.00 / 1)

ABC is dead to me.  I don't watch it anymore.


by haystax calhoun on Thu May 01, 2008 at 07:52:41 PM EST

Re: ABC to Obama: We'll Debate Without You (2.00 / 1)

I'm sure that going to put a big dent in their financial picture.


The direct use of force is such a poor solution to any problem, it is generally employed only by small children and large nations. -- David Friedman
by pollbuster on Thu May 01, 2008 at 09:05:08 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: ABC to Obama: We'll Debate Without You (none / 0)

And I now never watch NBC.


by ottovbvs on Thu May 01, 2008 at 09:14:59 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: ABC to Obama: We'll Debate Without You (2.00 / 5)

Over at Kos, they are trashing ABC & Hillary for holding this event. Apparently, even doing a town hall meeting is "unfair", and "should be stopped".

Anyway, I'm glad she'd doing this with the people and not sitting down for a 1 on 1. it only drives home the differences between her and BO.


by Chelsea in 2020 on Thu May 01, 2008 at 07:53:51 PM EST

Re: ABC to Obama: We'll Debate Without You (2.00 / 1)

Why do you visit the Orange Hell?

How is that sandbox for petulent children holding up?


by reggie44pride on Thu May 01, 2008 at 07:57:18 PM EST
[ Parent ]

They must be freaking out.. (none / 0)

Are they admitting that Obama is far less electable at this point?


Health Care: WHY do we pay MORE and GET LESS?
http://content.healthaffairs.org/cgi/con tent/full/hlthaff.28.1.w1/DC1
by architek on Thu May 01, 2008 at 11:39:35 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: ABC to Obama: We'll Debate Without You (2.00 / 3)

There was a lot of Anger that Hillary was on Larry King  right before the Pennsylvania primary, and demanding to know why she was given such a platform nad Obama was not.  Of course Obama had been invited too, but declined.


99% perspiration
by DaveOinSF on Thu May 01, 2008 at 07:59:36 PM EST
[ Parent ]

He's afraid of being asked questions.. (none / 0)

that he can't answer... I think..


Health Care: WHY do we pay MORE and GET LESS?
http://content.healthaffairs.org/cgi/con tent/full/hlthaff.28.1.w1/DC1
by architek on Thu May 01, 2008 at 11:41:23 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: ABC to Obama: We'll Debate Without You (2.00 / 1)

LOL.  They have a twisted sense of reality over there.  Ever noticed?


by Scotch on Thu May 01, 2008 at 08:16:09 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: ABC to Obama: We'll Debate Without You (2.00 / 1)

Actually you have stopped right at sense.


The direct use of force is such a poor solution to any problem, it is generally employed only by small children and large nations. -- David Friedman
by pollbuster on Thu May 01, 2008 at 09:06:35 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: ABC to Obama: We'll Debate Without You (none / 0)

The more they whine about it, the more publicity it gets.  I'm confident the meeting will open with a discussion of how Barack Obama was invited to meet with Hillary and debate but he wimped out.  He said he was too busy meeting with people to appear on television but LO AND BEHOLD, he's on Meet the Press.


Young lifelong Democrat. One of over 3,000,000 voters who kicked McCain and Palin out of Pennsylvania, permanently.
by BPK80 on Fri May 02, 2008 at 12:09:47 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: ABC to Obama: We'll Debate Without You (2.00 / 1)

hmmmmm this will be interesting, whats important his monday news cycle.

they will analysis both coverage, also if its voter questions then it shouldn't be 1 big giant fluff fest.

I hope they both get asked hard questions and I really hope she is asked about the gas tax.


Dream for tomorrow but fight for it today.
by TruthMatters on Thu May 01, 2008 at 07:56:31 PM EST

lol the gas tax? (2.00 / 1)

I am sure she will be asked that and much tougher questions too.  


For Obama it now becomes: Faith, hope and CHANGE! And the greatest of these is Change!
by TeresaInPa on Thu May 01, 2008 at 08:18:54 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: lol the gas tax? (1.00 / 4)

lol we will see how tough the questions george will ask.

maybe they will finally ask my question, why doesn't she wear a flag pin! I mean this is a very important issue

and only an ex-clinton aide can get to the truth.


Dream for tomorrow but fight for it today.
by TruthMatters on Thu May 01, 2008 at 08:25:57 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: lol the gas tax? (none / 0)

Truth matters.  I wonder sometimes whether you're a bit of schizo. I sometimes see very intelligent and perceptive comments from your keyboard and I'm not being facetious,and then stuff like this which is totally inane. It makes no sense. Very strange.    


by ottovbvs on Thu May 01, 2008 at 09:19:39 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: ABC to Obama: We'll Debate Without You (none / 0)

Last debate was very highly rated - highest of the year, in fact - and did do better than some network shows it was up against, but it did not beat American Idol.

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/ 04/17/top-ratings-for-penn-debate/


99% perspiration
by DaveOinSF on Thu May 01, 2008 at 07:58:05 PM EST

Re: ABC to Obama: We'll Debate Without You (none / 0)

Thank you, I will edit and issue a correction.


by bobbank on Thu May 01, 2008 at 08:01:04 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: ABC to Obama: We'll Debate Without You (2.00 / 2)

The fact that it did not beat American Idol is such a sad, sad statement.  LOL


by JustJennifer on Thu May 01, 2008 at 08:03:11 PM EST

Re: ABC to Obama: We'll Debate Without You (2.00 / 1)

American Idol watchers and people interested in Obama and Clinton don't strike me as the same kind of people.


by Scotch on Thu May 01, 2008 at 08:11:38 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: ABC to Obama: We'll Debate Without You (2.00 / 1)

Agreed.


by bobbank on Thu May 01, 2008 at 08:14:20 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Wouldn't it be a killer... (2.00 / 2)

If Obama declined but McCain showed up?  


99% perspiration
by DaveOinSF on Thu May 01, 2008 at 08:12:19 PM EST

Re: Wouldn't it be a killer... (2.00 / 1)

That would be interesting.  On the one hand it would mean Barack has a much easier time on Sunday (although he already has a headstart since he does not need to answer any freeform questions from voters).  On the other hand, it would begin to establish an image in people's minds that this contest were shifting to Clinton v. McCain.


by bobbank on Thu May 01, 2008 at 08:16:16 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Wouldn't it be a killer... (none / 0)

although he's a republican, McCain's not dumb enough to involve himself in the living hellhole we call the democratic primary.


by reggie23 on Thu May 01, 2008 at 08:40:40 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: ABC to Obama: We'll Debate Without You (2.00 / 3)

I think Obama was so freaked out by the last debate, he might never attend one again, ever.  No, he won't be there.


by Scotch on Thu May 01, 2008 at 08:13:01 PM EST

Re: ABC to Obama: We'll Debate Without You (2.00 / 2)

If he did get freaked out by the last debate, he better get over it. If he hopes to be President, he's going to have to endure a lot worse than that. I look up to Clinton for the great way she handled the situation. She was given lemons and made lemonade.


by zenful6219 on Thu May 01, 2008 at 08:18:49 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: ABC to Obama: We'll Debate Without You (2.00 / 2)

Have we been watching the same debates?  She can beat his ass at debating whether he is there or whether he isn't.  Don't make no difference to her.


by Scotch on Thu May 01, 2008 at 08:14:29 PM EST

Re: ABC to Obama: We'll Debate Without You (2.00 / 1)

Yes I'm sure that is why he is so reluctant to face her again - he's just doing it to go easy on her.  Right.


by bobbank on Thu May 01, 2008 at 08:15:11 PM EST

nah (2.00 / 2)

he's just embarrassed his keeps getting his ass kicked by a girl.


For Obama it now becomes: Faith, hope and CHANGE! And the greatest of these is Change!
by TeresaInPa on Thu May 01, 2008 at 08:20:25 PM EST
[ Parent ]

why? I see women as equals (none / 0)

doncha think women and men are equals?


"McSame: He's Constipated and Ready to GO!
by Al Rodgers on Thu May 01, 2008 at 08:21:50 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: ABC to Obama: We'll Debate Without You (2.00 / 3)

Obama does seem to perform best when he follows a script or teleprompter. Who does that remind you of? Obama seemed a little "off" during the last debate on ABC, so I can understand why he doesn't want to debate Clinton again.


by zenful6219 on Thu May 01, 2008 at 08:16:18 PM EST

Re: ABC to Obama: We'll Debate Without You (none / 0)

He reminds me of George Bush.

Vague Promises to be a "Uniter" but dividing the electorate in ways never seen before.

Massive drug history.

Inability to speak well without a script.

Shady past filled with secrets and records not being released.

Both seem like people who want to just have a beer (or chardonnay) rather than doing hard work.

Inspires an army of obnoxious reason-resistent followers.


Young lifelong Democrat. One of over 3,000,000 voters who kicked McCain and Palin out of Pennsylvania, permanently.
by BPK80 on Fri May 02, 2008 at 12:14:59 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: ABC to Obama: We'll Debate Without You (none / 0)

I have this image in my mind of the two candidates standing in opposite corners of a room with their arms crossed.

Did your preferred candidate not make the finals?


NO 100 year WAR, NO McConnell run Senate, & NO GOP-led Supreme Court!!!
by Veteran75 on Thu May 01, 2008 at 08:26:00 PM EST

Re: ABC to Obama: We'll Debate Without You (none / 0)

Sorry, I don't get it.


by bobbank on Thu May 01, 2008 at 08:30:32 PM EST
[ Parent ]

With George StepOnTopOfUs? NO WAY!!! (none / 0)

He's not even a journalist.


It's time to restore balance and fairness to our economy,... It's time to stop giving tax cuts to corporations that ship jobs overseas... - Barack Obama
by Lefty Coaster on Thu May 01, 2008 at 08:40:30 PM EST

Re: ABC to Obama: We'll Debate Without You (2.00 / 1)

bob - great diary!


"Democracy! Bah! When I hear that I reach for my feather Boa!" Allen Ginsberg
by canadian gal on Thu May 01, 2008 at 08:41:44 PM EST

Actually that's called former employee (none / 0)

doing a favor. I'm sure it appears quite ethical to outside observers.


My candidate lost fair and square. So did yours. Get over it and let's kick McSame's ass!
by RLMcCauley on Thu May 01, 2008 at 08:59:25 PM EST

Re: ABC to Obama: We'll Debate Without You (none / 0)

If the coward doesn't want to debate her due to his huge embarrassment in the last debate, then why not go ahead without him, makes him look the more foolish.


Steven Shaman Publisher Skywatch-Media News
by steve468 on Thu May 01, 2008 at 09:15:11 PM EST

Re: ABC to Obama: We'll Debate Without You (none / 0)

You can bet it will be watched in Indiana and NC and that's what matters. The good citizens of those two states are going to be much less attracted to a snoozer interview.  


by ottovbvs on Thu May 01, 2008 at 09:25:40 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: ABC to Obama: We'll Debate Without You (none / 0)

I can understand why he didn't participate in the proposed debate Lincoln Douglas style but it's a pity. It would have had a huge audience. It would have also forced McCain into a similar format during the general and he would get totally puliverized because he's not in the same league intellectually as either Hillary or Obama.  


by ottovbvs on Thu May 01, 2008 at 09:23:10 PM EST

Re: ABC to Obama: We'll Debate Without You (none / 0)

Perhaps because it had that label but it wasn't anything like a Lincoln-Douglas debate.


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by politicsmatters on Thu May 01, 2008 at 09:35:35 PM EST
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Re: ABC to Obama: We'll Debate Without You (none / 0)

Well since Hillary said that the two campaigns could discuss whatever terms might seem fair, I guess we don't know what the format would have ultimately looked like.


by bobbank on Thu May 01, 2008 at 09:49:28 PM EST
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re (2.00 / 1)

Obama turns to NBC News for help, who would have thought. Russert will fall all over him, the most hardball question will likely be...

"Gee willickers why aren't you ALREADY President I have your picture by my bed!"


by rossinatl on Thu May 01, 2008 at 09:24:33 PM EST

Well, he is Dreamy (none / 0)

Go on, drink it in.  You know you want to.


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by Al Rodgers on Thu May 01, 2008 at 09:53:49 PM EST
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Is Hillary invited... (none / 0)

...to Obama's Meet The Press interview. And why not?

Seems to me that the issue is that he refuses to go toe to toe with her.


by MediaFreeze on Thu May 01, 2008 at 09:29:26 PM EST

Re: Is Hillary invited... (2.00 / 1)

It's not so much about going toe-to-toe, as it is about being able to follow a script.  For all his oratory gifts, Barack has shown that he doesn't handle pressure well.  He doesn't handle extemporaneous questions well.  He's very good a delivering speeches that were written for Deval Patrick, though.

So this is about being able to maintain control and stay on a carefully scripted, pre-written course.


by bobbank on Thu May 01, 2008 at 09:53:41 PM EST
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yes..exactly.. (none / 0)

that lack of a controlled environment is feared by bush also..


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